Just when you thought the Amiga world was finally getting its act together, finally making things a little less obtuse for outsiders, this happens. So, we have the AmigaOne X1000 coming up, a brand-new PowerPC computer, running the real deal – AmigaOS 4. In the meantime, Commodore USA – the one with the sketchy website – has apparently secured rights to the Amiga hardware brand, and is planning to release Amiga-branded computers running AROS. In the meantime, Hyperion, the Belgium company behind AmigaOS, who is working with A-eon on the AmigaOne X1000, claims this is a clear violation of the settlement between them and Amiga Inc., and has notified its US lawyers.Commodore USA sent out a press release yesterday in which they state they’ve reached an agreement with Bill McEwen of Amiga, Inc. (one of the two companies named Amiga) in which Commodore USA may use the Amiga hardware brand on computers running AROS, the open source Amiga-inspired operating system.“We are ecstatic to be partnering with Amiga Inc. in this new, exciting product launch,“ states Barry Altman, President and CEO of Commodore USA, „The legacy of the Commodore and Amiga trademark brand, reunited once again after so many years, and our reintroduction of the legendary All-In-One computer keyboard form factor, combined with the twenty-five year anniversary of the introduction of the first Amiga computer by Commodore International, is a once in a lifetime opportunity.“My first thought was – wait, doesn’t this violate the settlement agreement between Amiga Inc. and Hyperion, which finally settled all the legal mumbo-jumbo in the Amiga world? It appears Hyperion believes that this is indeed a violation, and as such, they have asked their lawyers in the US to investigate the matter.
„Our American lawyers will take action against this,“ Hyperion states, „This is blatant violation of the rights Hyperion Entertainment secured in the settlement agreement with Amiga Inc., Itec and Amino.“
The facts here are that if there’s two companies I would blindly trust in the Amiga world, it’s Hyperion and ACube. These are the only two companies that have kept their promises and delivered actual working products we can buy today. Everyone else – including A-eon (until they ship the X1000) – are fair game.
The only conclusion I can draw from this is that my initial distrust of this Commodore USA thing was more than justified. Their website (shoddy doesn’t even begin to describe it), their rebranded products, their unilateral press releases which can’t be confirmed anywhere else but on their site… It all reeks of a massive con. Are their products even shipping, after months of promises?
Unless proven otherwise, I’m assuming for now that Commodore USA is, at best, a hoax, and at worst, a very inept con. They are properly registered as an LLC, though.
posted by Thom Holwerda on Wed 1st Sep 2010 20:24 UTC
Well, this was rather unexpected. As it turns out, Commodore USA’s CEO Barry Altman isn’t particularly pleased about the article I wrote earlier today in which I placed a considerable amount of scepticism with regards to Commodore USA and its business (and website). He (not his lawyer) sent us a threatening email demanding we take down the article, post a new correction article, the whole shebang. The entire email – as an image, you’ll want the original formatting – after the break. Our reply? We refer you to the reply given in the case of Arkell v. Pressdram.
posted by Thom Holwerda on Thu 4th Nov 2010 21:22 UTC
A little over two months ago, OSNews had a bit of a run-in with Commodore USA’s CEO, about how I felt about the company and its rather dubious business practices. This led to alegal threat we laughed away here at OSNews, but laughable or not, a legal threat is a legal threat, and it never sat well with me that it was never retracted or apologised for. Well, that changed today.I received this statement today from Barry Altman, Commodore USA’s CEO.
Like many forum members, tech writers, and people in general, who sometimes react to statements in an inappropriate manner, I would like to:
retract the idiotic legal threat
apologize for the legal threat
ship something
Certainly a phone call would be considered appropriate before you print something, so you can have all the facts before determining your position.
The three points above came from me – before I would even be open towards changing my position on Commodore USA, the idiotic [my words] legal threat had to be retracted and an apology had to be made. The last point, about shipping something, refers to the fact that I believe Commodore USA should actually ship something as well.
My original opinion of Commodore USA, the opinion that started all this nonsense, still stands, and nothing has happened between then and now to soften that position (in fact, the threat only made it worse). We’ll have to see what the future brings, but in all honesty, I don’t have high hopes at this point.
Still, that silly threat has been retracted and apologised for, and that’s something I’m very happy with. No matter how silly it was, having a legal threat hover above your head simply isn’t something I particularly like.
Bounty : Real Unity: Directory Opus Magellan II for all Amiga and Amiga-like systems. =
There has been a fair amount of talk recently about unity and co-operation between all of the Amiga camps (OS3, OS4, AROS and MorphOS). Many of us are tired of the divisions that cause many arguments and slow down progess. What we’d like to see is more co-operation between developers and users, just like we had in the good old days.
We now have an opportunity to make progress with this, by supporting the bounty that will open-source the well known and popular Directory Opus Magellan 2 desktop environment.
The bounty is hosted on the Power2People website, which has consistently proven to be trustworthy. Here is a direct link to the bounty: http://www.power2peo…ects/profile/64
But please help to make it free and developed again.
Thanks to AROS Community for initative.
The purpose of the bounty is to collect sufficient funds to purchase the source code of GPSoftware’s Directory Opus Magellan II (version 5.82, AmigaOS) for free use on Amiga (and Amiga-like) systems, under the AROS Public License, a derivative of the Mozilla Public License 1.1.
The bounty will be completed when $5600 USD has been raised (now we have 1700, 3900 still left), which gives enough money to meet the price GPSoftware has set for the release of the program source code to a public SVN repository.
So what will the release of the Directory Opus Magellan II source code mean? Firstly, we will have the sources of one of the best pieces of classic Amiga software ever created, free for any Amiga fan to use.
Secondly, as the program will be open-source, developers from all of the Amiga camps will be free to work on a common desktop environment, progressing the cause of unity between us.
Here’s is a summary of the benefits, by separate platform, and in total:
–AROS–
Wanderer is the main desktop environment for AROS, but it’s still in the early stages of maturity. Having Directory Opus Magellan will give AROS users a mature desktop environment they can use straight away. This takes the pressure away from Wanderer, as well as giving another choice for AROS users.
–AmigaOS4–
Whilst Workbench on OS4 is more polished than Wanderer on AROS, there are still some gaps in functionality that Directory Opus Magellan would be able to fill. Worth noting that, when the sources are available in the public SVN, there is already some os4 devs who want to plays with, exploring what is necessary to port it to OS4.
–MorphOS–
Ambient is the most advanced of all Amiga desktop environments, but there are still nice features found in Directory Opus Magellan II that aren’t yet found in Ambient. Porting should be easy as the 68k version already works in MorphOS. To see how it looks running in MorphOS, check out jPV’s tutorial
–OS3–
Even though official support for OS3 has stopped, there are still plenty of people interested in it, as well as unofficial addons/hacks. It is clear that there will be much interest in having updates to Directory Opus Magellan as well.
—The bigger picture: Progressing together—
The ports to the separate platforms are only the start of the story. The best news is any improvements made to this software will benefit everyone. Magellan II is great now for those that run it, but having access to the sources means we can make it even better for _ALL_ amiga and amiga like oses.
Short FAQ:
Q: Why are we spending money on this when we can improve our own software instead? Isn’t it easier to implement more features in AmigaOS than to spend money replacing it? A: We don’t have many developers, and those we do have are too busy with their own projects to start making a cross-platform desktop. Directory Opus Magellan will be a great way to get this done quickly. Also, the work to improve AmigaOS wouldn’t transfer to other Amiga platforms, whereas this work would.
Q: Isn’t this software really outdated? Look at those ugly icons! A: It is no problem at all to replace the icons. As for the age of the software, even MorphOS users that have access to Ambient still sometimes use Directory Opus Magellan. AROS and AmigaOS4 users should enjoy having access to such feature-rich software, with many features not available in their current desktop choices (Workbench, Wanderer or Scalos).
Q: Why is it so much money? A: $5600 USD sounds like a lot of money for one person, but if we all work together, little by little we can raise the necessary funds.
Q: Who will port it to [insert OS of choice]? A: Porting software is much easier in comparison with writing software from scratch, pretty much any developer can do it sooner or later. A few developers have already expressed an interest in starting the porting work.
Q: This bounty will only open up the source code, why is this such a good thing?
A: Apart from the chance to port Magellan to all Amiga platforms, it also gives us the chance to improve it.
Q: If we don’t reach the bounty target, can we reuse the money elsewhere? A: Up until the point the target is reached, you always have the choice to receive a refund for the money you’ve donated.
Q: Has anyone signed a contract with GPSoftware, ensuring that the money we donate will be handled correctly? A: Power2People are the organisation handling the donations, and have proved themselves to be trustworthy, even with larger sums of money.
So let’s reach into our wallets, and show we really want to support unity in the Amiga community, bringing ourselves a great piece of software in the process. Here’s the bounty link again: http://www.power2peo…ects/profile/64
We already collect 1/3. We can do it for real !
Thank you all.
Review TOTAL AMIGA 2 Check out the review of Directory Opus Magellan II in Total Amiga 2 magazine, page 22. Tutorials are in Total Amiga 10 (page 40) and Total Amiga 11 (page 44)
Directory Opus is probably one for the most popular programs for the Amiga and seems to be found somewhere on almost everyone’s machine. When GPSoftware upgraded DOpus (as it’s affectionately known) to version 5 they took a big step in abandoning the fixed two file list design of previous versions (and many other file managers) and changed to a much more flexible unlimited windowed design. Many existing DOpus users made the change but quite a few found it just too different. However the change did make DOpus attractive to many new
users, myself included.
The version of DOpus I’m looking at here is called Magellan II and version number wise it is actually version 5.8. This version is the culmination of 4 major upgrades since DOpus 5 was released.
DOpus Magellan II Is supplied on just 3 DD floppy disks and comes with a substantial manual for version 5.5 (2 versions ago) and an addendum manual for Magellan II. When you come to install the program you find that the disks like the manuals consist of version 5.5 and an upgrade to Magellan II even if you buy the full version. The means you have to install 5.5 and then upgrade it to Magellan II, however the installation is very straight forward and well explained in the manual so this isn’t much of a chore. Once installed you have to
serialise DOpus and this procedure has to repeated if you re-install or move DOpus on your harddisk.
One of the options you get when you install DOpus is if you want to start it in Workbench Replacement Mode (WbR). While you can run DOpus 5 like a standard directory utility, loading it when needed, it is really designed with the WbR mode in mind. If you choose to install DOpus as a Workbench replacement it loads as you boot your Amiga instead of Workbench (which contrary to popular belief is just another program (albeit and important one) loaded by the loadwb command in your s:startupsequence).
If for some reason you need a standard Workbench you can hold down Shift while you bood to disable DOpus. In WbR mode DOpus can be used in almost exactly the same way as Workbench but it’s file management power is always there when you need it…
File Management
Initially a DOpus screen (in either WbR or standalone mode) looks very similar to Workbench with icons for all your disks, DOpus can even use your WBPattern preferences for the backdrop and window patterns. It’s when you double click an icon to open a directory window (called a lister in DOpus) that the changes start to become apparent. In DOpus listers have 3 display modes: Icon mode looks and acts almost exactly like Workbench. Name mode has a list of files and directories like a view by name Workbench window but it also has a button bank and popup menus so common functions are just a click away.
The final mode is Icon Action which is a combination of the previous two adding name mode buttons to the icon view. As with Workbench you can snapshot any lister into a particular mode but DOpus goes much further with this functionality allowing you to set up what information is shown (in name mode) and even what buttons are on the button
bar for any directory.
Each lister actually runs as a seperate process which means that when one or more listers are busy you can simply open another one and get on with something else, this is very different from Workbench where you always had to wait for the current function to finish before starting another.
When you want to perform an action between two or more directories, for example copying or moving files you have to tell DOpus where the source files are coming from and where the destination is. Each lister has a box at the top right hand corner that displays SRC, DEST or OFF. If you click this box you get a menu so you can choose a different option for this lister. Normally you can only have one source and one destination but if you wanted, for example, to copy the same files to several directories at once you can lock several listers as destination and DOpus will copy the same files to all the directories. As you select different listers DOpus tries to guess which you want to be source and destination, making sure that the current lister with selected files is always the source. This means you soon get used to checking exactly what is selected before starting an operation. This automatic selection does drastically reduce the amount of source/destination setting you have to do manually.
Your Wish is my Command
When you click on a button in a Dopus lister or choose an option from the popup
menu you are actually causing an Opus command or set of commands to be executed. Lister buttons are only one of the many ways you can execute these commands. DOpus allows you to set up your own menus (similar to Tools Daemon), button banks (replacing utilities like Tool Manager). New in the Magellan version are startmenus which are buttons with a cascading menu ala Windows 95. But that’s not all (!!!!) you can setup commands to execute when you perform certain actions like inserting a disk or opening and closing listers (there’s about 30 actions to choose from).
Directory Opus provides a huge range of file management commands with everything from simple copy, delete and move to much more complex actions like encryption… whatever you want to do to files you’ll almost certainly find DOpus can do it. If it can’t then you’re free to use your own commands, these can be Workbench or shell programs and AREXX or shell scripts. What’s more you can define any combination of these so you could copy some files using the DOpus internal copy command then work on them with an external shell command with one click!
Whether you are setting up a command to be executed from a button, menu, double click or any of the other methods you’ll find you always use the same Function Editor so you only need to learn it once.
File Types
DOpus has a built in file type recognition system which lets it recognise a particular type of data file from its file extension (.jpg, .avi etc.) or internal structure.
Opus comes with a wide variety of file types it can recognise and there are several packages of file types available on Aminet (and the DOpus Plus CD, see boxout). If you can’t find one matching the file you want then you can make your own using the filetype editor. Once you’ve found or created your filetype you can specify the commands you’d like available for that file. When you right click a file you get a pop-up menu of basic commands like rename and delete but with the filetype editor you can add options to this menu specific to that type of file. For example you could add an Edit option to IFF ILBM files that loads them into your favorite paint program for editing. You can also specify commands that are executed when you double click or drag and drop files. As an example of this by default
DOpus comes setup to view the contents of an lha archive when you double click it and to decrunch it when you drag and drop it into another directory.
Replacing 3rd Party Hacks
After several years of development Directory Opus Magellan II is a very stable Workbench replacement and in about two years of use I haven’t found anything that won’t run because of it.
Because DOpus has functions like toolbars, user definable menus, NewIcons support and is much more configurable than Workbench you’ll probably find many of your current hacks and patches can be removed resulting in a more stable system.
As you would expect DOpus fully supports CyberGraphX so you can have a beautiful 16 or 24bit Workbench if you have a graphics card and also seems to run stably with hacks like MCP which some of us couldn’t live without.
A new feature of Magellan II is themes which allow you to save an Opus configuration complete with backgrounds, colours and sound effects to a theme file. You can then recall all those settings by loading the theme file. This feature allows you to build up a library of your favorite themes and have a random one each time you load Opus. You can also download themes from the internet or CDs to use (the DOpus Plus CD has many examples, see boxout) and DOpus can convert themes intended for Windows 95 so there’s a huge library all ready and waiting.
But it Can’t all be Perfect
I can think of very few bad things to say about DOpus Magellan II but I think it’s main problem is its sheer complexity. Although the concepts are the same all over the program (like the common Function Editor I mentioned earlier) there are still a huge number of options. GP Software are obviously aware of this as one of the changes in Magellan II is to place all the preferences in a single multi-page Environment requester instead of in two requesters which made it hard to find a particular option. However the new Environment requester now has 21 pages so it’s still a lot to search through. Personally I love the way you
can setup Opus to do just what you want and I think the huge number of options are inevitable to achieve this. If you’ve never used Opus at all before (as I hadn’t when I originally got it) you’ll probably find it takes some time (maybe a couple of months of regular use) to get comfortable with all the options that are available. Even then occasionally you’ll find new things.
The Opus manual is extremely through going through how everything works, all the commands that are available, and what all the options do. However it is very much a reference rather than a tutorial manual. It’s not the sort of manual you can take to bed and read (OK, I’m that sad I’m afraid). What would be great would be a set of tutorials to get
new users going (see DOpus Plus CD boxout for details of a tutorial set available) otherwise there’s a good chance some of Opus’ power will be left unused.
Conclusion
Opus is one of those programs which ake you wonder how you ever lived ithout it. For someone like me who oves to customise his environment and et up everything “just so” it’s great. The ork you have to put in learning it is well orth it for the rewards you get… previously complex operations are a snap. So if you don’t have DOpus 5 get it NOW… in a couple of months I think you’ll never want to give it up.
Another question is whether the Magellan II upgrade is worth the money, to be honest as you can see from the What’s New boxout the changes are mostly minor improvements, nothing that’s a real “must have”. For the upgrade price, which is well over half the new price, I would expect this to be a major upgrade. If all the changes to the main program and the FTP module are important to you then it’s probably worth it. In my opinion GPSoftware would have done better to put the Magellan II upgrade on the DOpus Plus CD and sold it as a bundle. This would give upgraders and new users the really useful tutorials and extras along with the minor improvements in Magellan II for a reasonable price. As it is I find it really hard to call this upgrade good value for money.
Pros
Configurable to the nth dgeree.
Expandable with commands
Cons
Intimidating for beginners.
Upgrade expensive for what you get.
OPUS FTP
It’s amazing what you can do with a DOpus lister but one of the cleverest features of DOpus which has seen its second manjor update in Magellan II is the FTP module. FTP (File Transfer Protocol) is a popular method of moving files between computers on networks and the Internet, for example Aminet is available on FTP sites all over the world so anyone with an Internet connection and an FTP program (often called a client) can access it’s massive archives of Amiga software.
The DOpus FTP module is an FTP client which instead of being a stand-alone program displays the content of the remote FTP site in an Opus lister. You can then use the normal Opus commands on the remote files even though the FTP server may be on the other side of the world. As an example when I update my website I copy the files onto the webserver using FTP. With the Opus FTP module I simply open a lister for the website directory on my harddisk and another for the FTP site and drag the files over.
For use with Aminet DOpus FTP doesn’t support the useful ADT (acronym alert: Aminet Download Tool) mode that AmFTP implements which allows you to view the most recent uploads since you last visited… however DOpus FTP does show you the short description of each file as you browse Aminet which AmFTP doesn’t so if you’re a regular visitor like me you might want to use AmFTP to check what’s new but for general Aminet browsing and FTP work I think Opus FTP now has the edge over its rival.
In Opus Magellan II the FTP module has been enhanced again (there were major improvements in the original Magellan). Some of the cool new features include:
Custom configurations for each site including custom tool bars for FTP listers.
Recursive copying and deleting so you can copy whole directory structures in one go, great for websites.
You can now use the new NEWER option of the Copy command with the FTP module to copy only files that don’t exist or have a newer file date than those on the FTP site. With the new recursive operation you can update a website with one copy command! DOpus FTP is cool and in many ways out does stand-alone FTP programs plus it has the advantage of being integrated into DOpus.
DOPUS CD
Along with the new Magellan II version of Directory Opus 5 GP Software have also released a companion CD for DOpus called DOpus Plus. On the DOpus Plus CD there is a collection of enhancements, themes, icons and images to help you customise your DOpus. The highlight of the CD however is the excelent set of HTML tutorials which can be viewed using any webbrowser (a cut down version of IBrowse is included). The tutorials are split into four sections: Starting – Explains the basics of Opus in a nice friendly style including plenty of information for users upgrading DOpus 4. Advanced – Once you’re happy using DOpus this section has loads of hits and tips to personalise DOpus just how you want it. Coding – How to program add-ons for DOpus in both AREXX and C. Extensive tutorials are included for both languages. Fun Stuff – This section includes lists of utilities that compliment DOpus and those that don’t work with it. How to navigate around Opus with the keyboard and a few tips and tricks you might not have picked up on.
The tutorials are really cool and will help you get going with DOpus much more quickly. Even long term users are bound to find many things they didn’t know about before. Along with the useful collection of add-ons I’d say this CD was well worth buying.
New in II
Lets take a look at what GP Software
have added to Magellan II:
Themes – See main text.
Improved Lister Layouts – Lister
information fields can now be resized.
A useful sort indicator in the title shows you which field the list isorted on and in which direction.
You can now use proportional fonts in your name mode listers too.
Amalgamated Options and
Environment Editor – The monster
preferences editor was born… it’s got even more pages than MUI preferences!
Background Pictures in Button
Banks and Start Menus
Outline and Shadow Desktop Font Options
Configurable Screen Title
Sound Events
Long Filenames – Support for file systems which support more than theAmiga’s 30 character filenames.
Improved Button Bank Editor – with a new layout and options for autoclose
button banks which close as soon as you choose an option.
Another useful new option are Active Popups which allow any button to actas a start menu.
Improved Lister and Group Pop-up
Menus and Improved Snapshot
Ability – More icon functions are now available in the icon information
requester allowing you to change theicon type (Disk, Project, Tool etc.) and
send the icon straight to the editor of your choice (IconEdit or Iconian forexample).
The AresOne 2012, just like its predecessors AresOne, AresOne 2010, and AresOne 2011, is a complete PC system specifically assembled to be used with AROS. The hardware components were selected to get the most out of the current AROS version, and to be ready for future improvements. The AresOne 2012 is suitable for Amiga enthusiasts, friends of light HTPC systems, and experienced users, it is not intended for the average Windows user (please keep in mind that AROS, albeit progressing nicely, is still in development).
The AROS Research Operating System is a lightweight, efficient and flexible desktop operating system, designed to help you make the most of your computer. It’s an independent, portable and free project, aiming at being compatible with Amiga OS at the API level, while improving on it in many areas.
Additionally to AROS, the AresOne can be pre-installed with Debian GNU/Linux, Ubuntu or Windows, if you wish.
(BUT WHY ? NOW WITH AEROS THERE IS NO NEED)
We also include a special OEM version of Amiga Forever with the package. The latter is useful for UAE since it contains the required Kickstart and Workbench images (1.3 and 3.x) for UAE plus 50 games and 50 demos. If you need more Amiga Forever, you can also purchase the full version at a reduced price. Every AresOne customer gets a licence for the AMC software package, the program is available for download on the AMC website
A portion of the AresOne profits will be used to fund AROS projects, especially driver development and licensed application software.
So the new system is still AROS native compatible.
So you will get AEROS + you AROS distribution of choice
We have decided to add a Geforce to the base system (please check configurator for more options). This way you can use 3D acceleration in AROS native and AEROS straight away.
@ Franko
Why so much hatred of Cusa? If you do not like them, it’s easiest to just turn our eyes in another direction.
Why create a website that writes hatred of Cusa? I feel sorry for those who do not have other things to do in life._________________
There are very interesting in all languages. http://www.kensonpro.com
Program, codes for websites, hifi, measuring instruments and more. The site is of more than 1200 pages and nearly 3Gb .
Nice trolling boys!
Also, if you ever wondered how to make AROS support, just pick hardware that already works with it thanks to others. Back to my info, it yet doesnt work on Atom based CommodoreUSA beasts. Will Baron issue medals?
You can install what you want in Cusa machines! Nobody can prosecute you for what you install and run.
Cusa has ruled previously that all their machines must be Aros-ready. I see it as their unofficial support Aros.
Interestingly, given that a CCC-dealer can get around AmHyp Agreement and deliver Cusa-Amiga with Aros preinstalled. Hope it becomes so !Should be very interesting to see differences between Cos / Win7 / Aros / HypOS4.x so on.Now I’m waiting for the next movie !@ edponpon
Thanks for all the work you do for us! You should get a medal!Last edited by linnar on 12-Jul-2012 at 07:02 AM. _________________
There are very interesting in all languages. http://www.kensonpro.com
Program, codes for websites, hifi, measuring instruments and more. The site is of more than 1200 pages and nearly 3Gb
LinnarRe: CUSA hateQuote:
vox wrote:
Because CUSA fans have been hating Amiga long time.
And its more about facts and ability of people to vote.
Your strange hatred has made you blind! I love the Amiga and would then move towards something new. We have trampled on the same spot for too long now. The people of Cusa also love the Amiga and really want to lift it to new heights in the same way that old Commodore would have done if they lived today. I think you would feel much better if you devoted yourself to your Amiga, instead of cultivating hatred. I love all people, you too! Be well. / Linnar
Another episode in „Abuse someone elses work““, this time AROS Barron has previously spitted on.
Added C64 ROMs and AROS ROMs for Amiga emulation (The ROMs are not 100% compatibile but are close). The C64 and AMIGA emulation are now launched full screen. If clicking on a C64 game does not work you may need to tweak your emulator settings to enable either full screen or windowed playback.
Another point well taken: they will just abuse someone elses work and never countribute even by bounty. What they would do if there was no Debian, MINT and AROS? Make a Windows free software under Commodore Windows with blessings from M$?
And just to elaborate on my response. Cloanto just wanted to know if we were including their product in Commodore OS and wanted an explanation of what we were doing.
They were fine with it once they realised we weren’t including their product, and in fact were promoting their product to Commodore enthusiasts.
One day dem a partners with Cloanto, other day Amiga Inc can give dem ROMs, third day thieves and liars
And yes … InI forgot Leo`s stance on AROS
Sent: 1-Nov-2010 8:04:08
to BigBentheAussie
Quote:
OK, you could donate 1$ or 10$, 100$ if your Commodore USA Amiga`s are going to use AudioHD since driver would benefit you too and you would have it in several months waiting for others to give their contrib (like AresOne does)
We are still on the fence regarding AROS because we are waiting to hear back from A Inc’s lawyers regarding Hyperion’s threats. They’re taking their time.
We won’t be releasing any Amigas until next year so we’re in no rush.
We are not going to spend a single cent until we know where we stand, what we can do, and what we can’t do.
The drivers therefore ARE NO BENEFIT to us until we are 100% sure we’re not going to be sued.
On top of that, given the the many months of negotiation regarding this driver with Stephen, where he attempted to play us, and then brag to everyone that he nearly did, and you can see that we have less than zero intention of bowing to his ransom demands. Demanding us to spend our money on a community that has shown such open hostility towards us is not the way for you or the community to get what they want.
This is political, and I guess it is something you cannot recognise from your armchair analysis of the situation.
Look at it from the eyes of a company that is attempting to be more than a backyard operation and you will see that there must be absolute certainty regarding all things because the stakes are too high.
This amount was a drop in the bucket of what we were prepared to spend to attempt to raise the status of AROS to that of a mainstream OS.
The reaction because we didn’t jump when the self appointed kings of AROS demanded we should does not exactly instill us with confidence in investing in AROS.
We don’t like the direction these people are pushing AROS nor the IP issues they are hell-bent on creating in future.
And based on their behavior to date and the various threats they have made we certainly don’t want to work with them.
Maybe you haven’t seen the nonsense we’ve had to put up with both publicly and in private.
Our will to try and accommodate the community regarding AROS is steadily declining.
The community doesn’t buy anything anyway, and is so fragmented it’s a lost cause.
The AROS community should be trying to gain our support rather than just annoying us, because our support would have been FTW!!!
They’ve looked a gift horse in the mouth.
Also even C=OS is today beta 9 (almost two years after launch date) they wanted it to have 5.o name since Workbench 5 should be ahead of current AmigaOS Workbench 4.1 – trying to present isetlf fasely as AmigaOS ahead of AmigaOS
„In response to an overwhelming demand from Amiga users worldwide, Commodore USA’s CTO Leo Nigro announced today that their new Amiga branded computers will be fully AROS compatible, and that they will be supporting the AROS open source community in every way possible. Mr. Nigro states “With the monumental strides that AROS has recently achieved, we realize the importance of accelerating this progress with funding that will enable this project to rapidly move forward and take it’s rightful place at the forefront of desktop operating systems”. With the recent announcement of their newly updated Commodore C64 model, and the acquisition of the Amiga brand exclusive trademark license, Commodore USA has once again catapulted the Commodore and Amiga namesake to the forefront of consumer electronics brand recognition.
Commodore USA was not set up as charity to support the development of AROS. It holds less than nothing of interest or importance to me, or 99.999999% of our intended market. It is a product that I or any other company could not use at all, as it has NO commercial value now, as is. So why are you all so concerned??
Our support was to help the group move ahead, and be part of a niche hobby group that seemed initially to be fun. I was wrong. Although some members expressed calm, sane, accurate and positive and open viewpoints, far too many exhibit behavior that is truly reprehensible. What is most amazing is the behavior and comments of the ‘Moderators“ UNREAL!! Aros is not a commercial product; it is not even close to a beta functional OS that has any use at this point in it’s development. Why some of you oppose the ONLY viable source of support is beyond me. Never has AROS received any promotion or publicity that comes remotely close to that that was gotten since my intended involvement. Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth. Why some of you find every facet of my life of interest is really sad. Don’t you have lives to live?
I’ll address some comments in particular. This is business, not nursery school. You know how much was spent and paid for the Commodore and Amiga IP over the last 15 years. Do your homework…we are talking close to 100 million dollars cumulative over all these years and by all the corporate entities that played the game. Price of entry is steep, and so is execution. Iggy has tons of more info that for some reason he chose not to share with you all.
As far as using abandoned artwork, no problem here. Marko Hirv cannot be reached. Period. I tried. No luck. And yes, I did email the company he is at now….again no reply. Find him…I’ll deal with him, or anyone else that falls into that category. Ever hear of an Iphone, boys and girls? Guess what…Jobs used it, took it, made it his own…knowing all the time it was the IP of Cisco. Ever hear of iTV, another recent product of the Apple guys. Also, no ownership…take it …use it…and then buy it if you must. Lawyers make a ton and the company gets what it wants, and the IP holder is paid. All good, no? That’s just a small example of how business is. I am not saying it is right, just giving you a lesson in reality.
Oh…..ONE MORE THING !!!! All you self righteous self appointed moral compasses out there with the huge mouths and not much else. JUST WHO LICENSED AMIGA.ORG THE AMIGA TRADEMARK PROPERTY APPEARING ON YOUR BANNER MASTHEAD??? NO ONE!!
Any comments on that flagrant violation of trademark law? I’ll be most interested in a reply to that one. Very interested.
So, enjoy your little clubhouse, I wish you well, and am sorry my leap into your little pond caused such an uproar. I never knew such muddy pond could even exist.
linnar
I feel sorry for those who do not have other things to do in life._________________
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!Should be very interesting to see differences between Cos / Win7 / Aros / HypOS4.x so on.Now I’m waiting for the next movie 
!@ edponpon
On the Edge: Spectacular rise and fall of C=USA 