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Nameless experience with older Commodore-Amiga.org board


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I used to try to post in their old forums and also tried to be fair about my suggestions and improvements they could make.

I say ‘try’, as a large percentage of my posts were edited or deleted entirely. It became pointless to even post on their forums, as one had to dance around certain subjects very carefully, then hope one’s post didn’t simply just vanish.

I can understand editing obscene, vulgar or combative posts, but that isn’t what commodore’s forums are about. They are about increasing sales for them, and when someone says something like their computers may be overpriced, or perhaps they should include an Amiga-like OS on their Amiga system, they tend to not like that very much.

It’s really incredibly silly and makes an open discussion impossible. I also was always baffled by the ‘rah rah’ posts, where CUSA would make a somewhat lame post, like ‘super secret announcement coming!’… or ‘COS will now have even more screen effects!’… and they’d get odd followup posts gushing over their ‘non-announcements’, and like half a dozen thank yous per post. I am guessing they were mostly just employees doing those followup posts, but it made their forums look even less professional than they already were.

I never took screenshots or anything like that, if that’s what you are asking. And since the forums aren’t there anymore, it’s not like I can point to my previous posts on the forum. You don’t really need proof of censorship on their old forums, as it was common knowledge. I recall one moderator stating that even his posts had been deleted at one time or another. Everyone who used that forum eventually realized that posts were censored.

My basic experience was something like this…

I recall someone posting constructive criticism on a thread when the amiga minis first came out. He went of his way to say his post was meant as constructive, but he had some issues with the pricing. I followed up in agreement, also comparing prices to iMacs and Alienwares, saying how it’s even more expensive than them and if they want to be competitive, they really need to lower their prices.

Next day entire thread was gone. Myself and the other poster put up a thread asking why a thread on constructive criticism was censored — and also pointing out that we were polite, no arguing or anything like that. And our thread on censorship was also deleted entirely.

As for other situations… I recall a thread about their OS or why AOS should be ported to CUSA… several posts were deleted from that one, including a rant against Barry from someone with a moderator tag (I could at least understand deleting that specific post). Basically any posts that pointed out the fact that their Amigas were lacking in Amiga-like features or were too expensive, had a good chance of getting edited or deleted entirely.

My last post was in a thread with an eager pro-cusa person, where I was trying to stress than their Amiga should have some unique features (either software or hardware) and not simply be a run of the mill PC with Linux installed. I was polite, but that post got deleted too. After that, I just said goodbye and good luck…

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Barry promises no censorship at new forum!


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I agree with +99% of all the suggestions posted here. We now have access to all the data from the old forum; it’s just a matter of extracting what we need, formatting and converting it and then implementing it into all the new categories in our new forum. (not easy).

The topic sections will be greatly expanded to make things easy to use such as specific categories for each different product, sub categories for the various OS variations, hardware & software support, suggestions, general discussions…basically everything we had before, and a lot more. Please keep in mind this may take a week or so (just a guess), but it is our top priority now, along with the updates for Commodore OS Vision & Commodore OS Fusion.

Please keep this quote from the NEWS section in mind as we move forward in this endeavor:

„Please take the time to read our TOS and FAQ. Please understand that this is our official corporate forum, and as such it’s primary purpose is to promote and support our products, our customers, potential future customers and those that have an interest in our line of retro and innovative contemporary products.“

We have no intention to edit, remove, alter, dismiss or in any way censor any of your posts, replies or suggestions. And this specifically includes me . What seemed like a heavy hand in the previous forum will not be the normal operating procedure here. I only ask that things remain civil, constructive criticism is welcome and the postings reflect the true spirit of what we are trying to accomplish. Unlike most other public forums, I would only ask that you think of this forum as my personal living room. All are welcome, but please don’t spit on the floor, use an ashtray, refrain from making nasty comments about the drapes and furniture and treat all our guests respectfully.

Postings that trash our products, trolls, those that reverse engineer our products with the intent to exemplify the costs and sources with the intent to either expose our private business and manufacturing processes, those that discus and or in any way promote our competitors products and those that in any fashion run contrary to our main forum purpose (read the above paragraph) will be deleted. Since this company is privately held, the will be no conversations regarding sales figures, profits and distributions and any other private information that normally would be disclosed for a publicly traded corporation.

The look and feel of this forum will be greatly improved as we intend to apply a new skin (open to immediate discussion and suggestion) There is a huge selection of skins that are available; just Google „vBulletin ver 4.2.0 skins“. There are thousands of selections to choose from….dig in and start exploring.

Lots to do, and with your continued support and patience, we look forward to presenting a truly remarkable and unique forum experience that we can all enjoy.

Barry promised to be a good guy, but corporate TOS makes them eliminate any discussion and resistance. Great Barry, that is the way to clean hands!

And yes Barry who is reverse engeenering whose products, please that part once again!

Note: Original Statememt (c) Barry Altman, CommodoreUSA Bolded words: Frank Spiers, Scotland Footer Bold/Comments: Vox, Serbia

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Tom Wright`s C=USA in Conclusion


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I was honestly on the fence about CUSA in the beginning. When they released the C64x, I had some real faith in them because the breadbox was very cool looking. Even though it didn’t run anything „Amiga“ OS-wise, it didn’t bother me because it looked like a C64. When they came out stating that these were going to be Linux specific machines, I was actually a bit excited because honestly, I’m a big Linux fan. I pictured something like System 76 who is loved and embrassed by the Linux community and often gives back with Open-Source drivers and such.

As of recently however, and after really looking at this Amiga Mini thing and their A1000 (sorta clone), and also after seeing how Barry responds to his customers on his own forum (blasting them and then kicking them off), I see no hope for this company. I actually feel sorry for Leo because I think his heart is in the right place… hell maybe Barry’s is also but he’s just so brash and angry toward customers and potential customers that it makes him incredibly unlikable.

…but the point of this post is to talk about why they fail so miserably as a computer company.

Operating System:
Again, I’m a huge Linux fan, so CUSA choosing Linux as an OS seemed like a great idea to me. Linux today very much reminds me of Amiga in 1990. It’s a great OS that runs circles around Windows in almost every way and the Open Source movement is just amazing. From Makerbots to Ubuntu and Blender, I truely believe that Open Source is the future of technology because we don’t have to rely on giant, multi-billion dollar companies to make product and software decisions for us anymore (but that’s another soapbox).

So CUSA release „Commodore OS“. What? You made your own distro? How bold! How exciting! How…. wait a second, this is Linux Mint.. not only is this Linux Mint but it’s a really crappy version of Linux Mint. There is a reason we have a software Package Manager in Mint… it’s because if you add all the software in the distro, it becomes crazy unruly in size and install and people won’t use 90% of the software anyway. Also, adding ALL the bells and whistles in Compiz is just obnoxious. What makes distros like Mint so cool is that you get to customize it to your workflow. All the COS distro does it take Linux Mint with Compiz and turns on all the fluff (which most adults tend to avoid).

It would be much better to use Mint or Ubuntu as they are but with support… real support like System 76 does. Make drivers and software to support your hardware and of course, make it Open Source. That’s the power of that community. If you don’t support Open Source then don’t even bother using Linux…. you’ll just be seen as someone taking advantage of the „Free“ part which is not the point of Open Source. It’s „Free“ as in Freedom!

Commodore-Amiga.org
Once again, I’m going to talk about freedom. Claiming to be a supporter of Open Source software and then having an extremely censored forum to post on goes against everything that Open Source stands for. Commodore-Amiga.org is the China of open forums. It is regulated with an iron fist. Any post questioning the decision of CUSA tends to be quickly locked or deleted and people involved tend to just „disappear“ from the forum.

There is something else that bothers me about the forum. It is the least active Amiga forum that I visit (by far)… which makes me seriously question the user stats (the number of online people there). Are they making those numbers up? I bet there aren’t 3 posts a day on that forum yet it shows hundreds of onlookers. Is this accurate? I have no idea but it is strange and this company has been known to fudge things in the past.

One of the craziest things about the forum is reading Barry’s replies to customers. I don’t think he understands that these people are the people that are going to make or break his business because he treats them with a kind of distain I’ve never seen from a business owner before. Does Barry think that having a Steve Jobs personality is going to make him a successful business owner? I’m not sure but it’s quite disturbing.

Commodore Amiga Mini
I don’t even know what to say about this product. It feels like CUSA believes that any product with the name „Commodore Amiga“ will sell well no matter what it is or how much it will cost. Don’t they read the posts people make in the news forums? How can they see this as a successful venture? I just don’t understand.

CUSA Self Image
CUSA tries so hard to make themselves look legitimate that they end up looking foolish. We’ve seen this MANY times now. Why try and make yourselves out to be something you are not unless you are purposely trying to mislead customers. Is this in fact what they are attempting to do or is this Barry saying „I’m big and important“? I don’t understand the need to be perceived as a large corporation. There is nothing wrong with being small… it’s actually very popular to be small and hip in the tech industry right now. The only result of their attempt to deceive is to be seen as deceptive.

Chances of Survival
At current course, not a snowball’s chance in hell. I can see no way that this company will be embrassed by anyone other than the incredibly niave. Unless they make drastic changes to their business plan (and quickly), I predict that they will be completely gone within 5 years.

I realize that people have been talking about CUSA for awhile now but I tend to not read those threads because people get emotional about anything Amiga and I wanted to come to my own conclusion about this particular company… so I’m sorry if this is a repeat of what others have said. I am non-partial to any Amiga camp at the moment (I do not consider CUSA as an Amiga Camp by the way… only AOS, MOS and Aros). I actually feel that all the current Amiga camps act with great poise and professionalism when it comes to business and customers. I’m very impressed with them.

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C=USA support forum is moving to http://forums.commodore.net/


Our dear C=USA felt that, even Commodore-Amiga „support forum“ was moderated by Linnar and BigAussie, they need MORE CONTROL (even their C-A forum was free of any Amiga related topics such as AROS, MorphOS or AmigaOS)

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/15947-new-official-cusa-forum#15948

Please visit the new official Commodore USA forum. This site went online on Sunday, July 29th, 2012, and was created to replace the commodore-amiga.org forum, which was running extremely slow and starting to show it’s age. As you may know, the commodore-amiga.org domain is owned by Commodore USA, LLC, but the actual forum itself is owned and managed by terminals, who has done an outstanding job of creating the first forum to feature and showcase the CUSA product line. Since we are not the actual owners of the forum, it placed restrictions on our ability to fully monitor and implement corporate policy and other features that will now become integrated into this official Commodore USA forum, forums.commodore.netThis forum is officially supported by the CUSA staff, and is a great place to talk about and get support for your CUSA products, as well as engage in general Commodore and Amiga chat. The staff of Commodore USA, LLC will no longer be participating on commodore-amiga.org, and will be available to answer all your questions and concerns, as well as engage all our new members on our official site: forums.commodore.net.Please take the time to read our TOS and FAQ. Please understand that this is our official corporate forum, and as such it’s primary purpose is to promote and support our products, customers, potential future customers and those that have an interest in our line of retro and innovative contemporary products.

We invite you to create an account and join us in the discussions!

So up to now 18 active users have moved to http://forums.commodore.net/forum.php

2 490 visits in 1st month of AntiCUSA blog: Public stats


It has been one month since this blog has been created, and lets see what has happened meanwhile.

Don`t forget numbers can only go up 🙂 Next such stats on 25 000 views

Number of visits

2490 views total, 30 views today, 481 on bussiest daym 38-66 average per day so far

Where do visitors come from?

US, UK, Serbia, Italy and Germany and many many more countries …

How do they find the blog? (still very few by Search engine)

Sources from other boards (refferers)

 What do they read and what do they click on (where do they go further?)

 One love from Serbia to each and every soul that supported the effort and promoted it.

Everyone is free to vote, contribute … send materials to rasvoja@gmail.com

Raspected you!

Another view on the blog


http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/21-off-topic/15684-re-ami-sectarians-blog

 

I know this is not directly affected by Commodore USA, but I decided to write this post only for CUSA User’s information.Many supporters of C=USA Amiga x86 is discriminated and insulted as a „troll“ or in other way.Under many video clips on YouTube which relate to CUSA products, some people’s which are claiming to be the „true Amigan“ posted negatve comments. OK It is free world, but when anybody from CUSA users negative commented some of „X1000“ (or under other „true“ „Amiga“) clips are insulted, and/or blocked.This type of behavior is extreme discrimination(in my opinion), and the people(„true Amigan“) which are doing something like that, are similar to some kind of „sectarians“.One of them was created a AntiCUSA Blog:anticusa.wordpress.com/On the above web page, is published a „CommodoreUSA fanboys n spammers list“, where we can find a lot of people known from the commodore-amiga.org forum.

Ami-sectarian who was created this blog is named Rasvoja – www.youtube.com/user/rasvoja

Discrimination of the peoples with the „wrong“ point of views, insulting them, creating lists of „unsuitable“ people, it is ideal image of totalitarian regimes from the bloody past.

If anyone can do something about it, should do now.

Greets all C=USA users !

Commodore & Amiga Forever !

Dummy

Vox is a deranged pothead who wants nothing more then to kill C=USA by generating as much negative press as possible. IMO, even mentioning or linking that site on ca.org is not doing any justice to C=USA as it promotes a site dedicated to C=USA’s demise.

Sad thing: Amigans supporting fake Amiga company


1) Fake Commodore Amiga domain owned by CommodoreUSA

Nothing to do with real Amigas, AmigaOS, MorphOS and AROS with extreme censorship

Every criticism or anything Amiga related get deleted and users get banned for it

Other faked Amiga resources owned by CUSA

CommodoreUSA Web Page

Commodore USA Facebook

CommodoreUSA Twitter

CommodoreUSA You Tube

CommodoreUSA forums

All under EXTREME censorship!

2) DiscreetFX hosts Barron interview where everything Amiga is sipitted on, all the brave ideas of innovation

3) AmigaWorld.net has Amiga Inc discussions in basement and tolerates their promo

4)  CommodoreUSA Wiki page we fight for less propaganda (also: Talk page, COS page)

5) Amiga4be fake Amigan pages You Tube and Blog

6) Example of CUSA threating people that expose the truth

7) List of C=USA promoters that rarely do help AROS, MorphOS, AmigaOS and yet claiming to be Amigans

8) Barry Tweets

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As opposed to Real Amiga resources